Sunday, July 31, 2011

Garrett GT28R - GT2860R - 62 TRIM - 360 HP - 707160-5

This is the Garrett GT2860R turbocharger model 707160-5. This turbo is also an upgrade turbocharger for the Nissan Skyline R34 GT-R and is compatible with HKS GT2530 Turbos. The Garrett GT2860R is a direct replacement upgrade turbocharger for the stock OEM Nissan RB26DETT engines GT2556R 702987-7 turbo used in Nissan Skyline R34 GT-R.


The Ball Bearing GT2860R turbo (base Garrett P/N 707160-5) assembly with T25 style turbine inlet. Comes with internally wastegated style T25 turbine housing that is unique and same as Skyline style (tapped turbine inlet holes, unique turbine discharge pattern, and low profile housing neck) and Skyline style compressor housing with 2 bolt inlet and 2 bolt outlet.
Includes wastegate actuator bracket and actuator from the factory (also unique to this turbo).


Now there are actually 3 different versions of the GT2860R turbocharger, where the biggest differences is on the compressor. And there are also 2 different RS versions called “The Disco Potato” that I’ll explain more about in another post. This Garrett GT2860R turbocharger have a compressor that will allow you to use the highest boost pressures of of them all. If you look at the compressor map below you can see that it will give you good airflow well above 2 bars of boost. On the compressor map you actually read 3 bar on pressure ratio. That's because we already live in an 1 bar environment. So the total pressure seen on the map is 1 bar + the 2 bars that the turbo will give. 

If we look at where in the compressor map the GT2860R turbocharger flows the best we see that it's in the 1 - 1.5 bar boost range. This makes the GT2860R a good choice for twin turbo applications like the Nissan Skyline because you will get a solid 600 + HP with them working together. And because it's a T25 flage turbo it will bolt up right away to you're existing manifold if you are just looking for an upgrade.



The GT2860R alone will work well all the way down to 250 HP and will give you 360 HP if needed. The recommended engine sizes for the GT2860R turbocharger are 1800cc to 3000cc.
Model: 707160-5
CHRA: 446179-51

Bearing: Ball bearing
Cooling: Oil & Water cooled bearings
Compressor
Inducer: 47.2 mm
Exducer: 60.1 mm
Trim: 62
A/R 0.60

Turbine
Wheel: 53.9 mm
Trim: 76
A/R: 0.64
Wastegated
Turbine Flange: T25
Turbine outlet: Unique "compact" 5-bolt pattern
Turbine Housing Options (Same options as for the GT2859R turbo)
Part Number: 430609-230
A/R: 0.64
Wastegated

Part Number: 430609-231
A/R: 0.86
Wastegated
Now if you look at the dimensions of the you will see that the turbine options that Garrett and have are the same as for the GT2854R turbocharger. Also like I said above that the turbine outlet flange have a unique compact design to it (same as the GT2859R), so it will not work with the other GT25R flanges or other traditional T25 5-bolt flanges. So an special downpipe flage is needed, that use the Nissan Skyline bolt pattern.


The GT2860R Turbine housing is also cast from high-nickel "Ni-Resist" material for extreme applications. And the turbine wheel is cast from "Inconel" so it will take alot of heat and abuse. Also it has the T25 turbine inlet flange with threaded bolt holes instead of traditional through holes.
The GT2860R use the Standard T25 oil drain flange.
Oil inlet 0.4375IN - 24 Thread for 6.35 Tube Inverted flare connection PER SEA J512 Oil inlet
Oil outlet 2 x M8x1.25 13.5 oil outlet
Water connections thread M14x1.50



I also have more technical pages for you that will come in handy. They will be of great help when looking at compressor maps Use the conversion tools And you will be able to calculate airflow, pressure and HP figures for the turbocharger you are interested in.

16 comments:

Greg Petree said...

Hello, I'm looking into putting Turbo on my Yamaha Warrior, muscle bike. I would love to pick your brain and develop some networking.

JD said...

Hi Greg, you can drop me a mail at turbochargerspecs@rocketmail.com if you like. The Yamaha have a pretty big engine 1600-1700cc so spooling a turbo wont be much of a problem. However I would try and stick to a 200hp turbo like Garrett GT20 because you can't rev you're engine that high. So because this a smaller turbo is in favor. If you run E85 fuel (ethanol) you can run around 1 bar boost without a intercooler. But if you can't find E85 in you're area then a small intercooler fitted will let you run the boost you want no problem. If not you will be limited to how much boost you can run because the inlet temperature will become to high and risk the engine. Still you're engine if I'm right have around 8.3:1 compression so you can probably run 0,7 bar boost without a problem as the engine is. I would guess that you can get around 150hp without to much work, just fitting the turbo. You would need to have the carb under pressure though.

Anonymous said...

Hy I have nissan ca18det engine and this gt2860r 707160-5 ... the problem is .. Full boost 1bar is on 4000 rpm... turbo have a big lag...

JD said...

Hello there, not knowing your engine specs I can only guess. But with this GT28 turbocharger you should have 1 bar boost pressure at 3000 rpm. Could even get it a bit sooner than that if the engine gets tuned right. One thing I would start out with to troubleshoot is the wastegate. If you have a lot of backpressure in the turbo mainfold it could force the actuator spring controlling the wastegate open and you get a slow spool from the turbo. You can test and see if this is happening by adding another spring to the wategate like in this picture link below. If you get an improvement with the extra spring then all you need to do then is to fit a bigger actuator to solve the problems. Hope this helps.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-GBGp1ePKGsA/VL6oHB5f3NI/AAAAAAAAC7Q/x1y2suvszPM/s1600/Wastegate%2BActuator%2BSpring%2BTurbo%2BTroubleshooting%2BBoost%2BPressure%2BHow%2BTo%2Bwww.TurbochargerSpecs.blogspot.com.jpg

Unknown said...

I have a 2007 mini cooper s, 1.6L engine I'm looking something between 300 and 350Hp, what size or what type of turbo will be the best for my mini? Any recommendations?

Willie lemosse said...

I'm confused since my engine size is only 1.6L and these turbos seems to be too big for my engine size. I'm afraid that the engine might not be able to spool it. As I said any recommendations or suggestions will be apriciated.

JD said...

Hello, to reply to you both about the 1.6L engines. It all depends on what power you are looking to make. If you say need 300 hp then this GT2860R turbocharger will give you that and you can push this turbocharger even further to about 350hp.

It will spool up on both you're 1.6L engines, but how soon will depend on the overall engine setup when completed. So if the setup is not optimal, then the engine will only come to life and start to pull hard at around 4500 rpm. But if you have done some engine work, with a nice exhaust it could be 3500 rpm instead. It all depends. But this turbo being ball bearing really helps.

If you are unsure and feel like the GT28 turbocharger range is a bit too big for the engine and your power goals then there is always the GT25 and even GT22 turbocharger range that you could look into. A little less top end power but you also get a nice spooling turbocharger and a fun drive. Trust me 300hp will put a smile on your face every time you go for a drive.

David Anastasi said...

Hi, I just purchased a brand new GT28 60 R to replace my GT25 54 R This is fitted to a Honda Blackbird 1100cc Injected engine fitted on a Hill climb car. The engine is totally stock with stock 11:1 cr a really nice Exhaust manifold , 650cc siemens injectors and a fully programable ECU. question what is the boost pressure I should run ? the car is fitted with an intercooler and is run on racing fuel. What is the opening psi of the wastgate ? the engine revs easily up to 11500rpm, what power should i expect. I went for a bigger turbo because power would drop off at 220 WHP with the GT25 54. Thanks look forward to your views.

JD said...

Hello David, it's hard to say how much boost you could run with the stock 11:1 compression ratio even on race gas to be on the safe side. But if your running something like VP's C16 Race Fuel then you should be ok to even max out the tubo with a good tune.

If we compare the GT2860r and GT2554 turbochargers then you should see around +50 hp with the same boost pressures. I would expect to see 250whp around 1 bar boost and with 1.5bar boost close to 300hp.

The GT2860r wastegate spring usually open around 10-15psi so if you don't bleed the air then 250whp is around what you can expect without any other changes to your current setup.

Unknown said...

Than you should go for the gt2860r rather then the rs, the r makes slightly less power but spools up quicker, i believe around 3000-3500 is where it kicks in however the gt28r doesnt hold the power down till redline i believe. Im also going for the gt2860r rather than the rs

5supercinque said...

Hi,could an 1.4 displacement to spool this turbo?first I have a gt2554r and was very good,but broken,and after I put a gt2871 and makes max 0.5 bar.
Thx

JD said...

Hi 5supercinque, what power are you trying to make? The Garrett GT2871R Turbocharger is the biggest GT28 turbo and have a wide 270 - 475 hp range suitable for 1.8L - 3.0L engines. The GT2860R is a good upgrade but it will spool a bit slower than your smaller GT2554R turbo.

5supercinque said...

Thx for answer.About 250hp,the car is a renault 5 gt turbo 1397 cm,I have a full large exhaust,a pipercam,and a big front intercooler,a head gasket that reduce the cr to 7.5;1 and a rejetted group a carburettor
But the problem is that I don t find a gt2554 second hand,I found a gt2860.
With gt2871 full boost at over 6000rpm,and engine up just max 7000

5supercinque said...

With 2860,you think the full boost would come at 4000rpm?it would be good at 4000rpm cause is not a daily drive car,the car weight just 780kg
Thx

David Anastasi said...

I have a hardly used GT 25 54 for sale.

JD said...

Hi 5supercinque, with 1400cc, low comp and big cams you usually have a hard time spooling a big turbo. I would guess around 4.5-5000rpm. If you can control the ignition curve you could get better response and help the turbo spool. But if you already know at what rpm the cams start to give power and where max torque is without a turbo, then you can expect the turbo to start to give boost around that rpm range.

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Folks don't forget about racing safety gear when buying auto racing parts

I have been tuning engines for a long time and with that experience I tend to look a bit more at how other people tune their cars and bikes than anyone else. Now this is not true for everyone, but most of you will recognize yourself at some level.

About 25 years ago the level of tuning an ordinary street car would ever see was at most 30% increase in power. (Not true for every car out there, but I'm talking ordinary street cars here)

So if you had an Ford, Volvo or BMW the amount of power you could get would have been in the 150hp range and in some extreme cases 250hp. At this point this was the "limit" of ordinary naturally aspirated engines at that time. Yes there was a lot of racing going on at that time, and some of these race engines did get put into street cars and power levels would have been 300+ hp. But the amount of maintenance these race engines required and the cost to keep them running were too much for most people.

Back then you could not just go into a racing store and buy yourself a set of forged pistons and connecting rods. Let alone camshafts and valves to build your race engine.

With the introduction of turbochargers however the power suddenly increased to levels that are still uncommon in today’s cars. At the beginning people where not really sure how to tune turbo engines and intercoolers where something that most people had never heard of. Silicone hoses where did you get that? And real drag tires where not that common either.

But as time passed by, engine tuners got their hands on more parts and knowledge and the tuning business took of.

Now it still took some time before engine management systems where you could really start to extract power out of engines became common. And if you found someone who could tune these you would have to fork out serious doe to get everything working.

Along came chip tuning and turbo engines. What was unheard of just 20 years ago would now become a reality for anyone with a few minutes of tuning. Some of you might know the story of the Ford RS Cosworth, Nissan Skyline, Audi S1 Quattro, Lancia S4 to name a few and other icons of the late 1980 and early 1990. The turbo engines back then would give you 200hp and that is still today 25 years on about the same power level you would get from a new car. However today this is a common power figure for a station wagon. And back in the 80s only a few racing breed turbo engines would give you that.

But with a few changes to the ECU with chip tuning and some larger fuel injectors all that was needed then was to turn up the boost pressure and 350hp where unleashed. The only real limit here was only how much air the standard turbocharger could supply.

Sure there where different levels of basic tuning you could do but the effect was the same, more power.

With more and more tuner friendly cars coming out over the years the power figures are still holding almost the same. But what have changed today is the huge amount of DIY tuners out there. What engine tuners did 25 years ago have now entered the garage and racing parts have now become widely available to anyone. From the cheap Chinese made turbo exhaust manifolds to wastegates and almost every tuning part you can think of to the pure racing parts like forged pistons and engine management systems on sale that anyone can buy.

So what has happened is anyone with a little background in mechanics can now build their own race engine. Power levels have just gone up and up and up.. It’s not uncommon to see street cars today with 500hp and then there are the ones who have gone even higher, breaking the 1000hp barrier.

The one thing that all these engines have in common to achieve such power levels are of course the turbocharger. Without the turbo it would not have been possible. Well I’m sure a supercharger could do the job too but that’s another story.

However time and time again people forget the most important parts when tuning cars. I’m talking about safety and racing safety gear. I do see that people buy racing seats and that’s good. But most of the time they don’t buy racing seats because of the added safety. It’s because they think racing seats look good. And what about things like auto racing helmets that keeps your head intact. Most of the time people come to the track without real racing helmets and if it’s street racing that’s taking place, no one seems to bother wearing any kind of racing helmets at all.

I do understand that people feel protected inside their car and they don’t think they need roll cages and in some cases opt for roll bars instead but you really need to think about this.

Some of the racing safety gear you should look at are the following:
racing suit
racing shoes
racing helmets
racing gloves

In case you don’t have a fuel cell in your car and there is a chance of fire or fuel leak then you should consider racing fire suits also because these will save your life. Fire is not to be taken lightly. If you have a good fuel system in place to feed your engine and anyone who are looking for power is going to have that. Then you need to understand that at any given time those racing fuel pumps are pumping 2 gallons of fuel every minute. And if you get a leak and have an accident you are in real trouble if the power to the pumps are not cut right away.

So having the right racing safety gear to protect you is always a good choice. Today’s car are much safer than the ones years ago, but you need to understand that when we double and triple the amount of power and turn our 100mph car into a 200mph fire spitting monster of a car you really, really should spend some time and pick out some racing safety gear also.